The New 3 "Rs"
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Science and Religion
Famous American Quotes
Whale Evolution (Macro)
Misc. Areas of Interest
Josephus & Christianity
Christians Need Evolution
Why did Jesus not return?
Why evidence is not effective
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Adam & Eve - Genomics
The Church & Evolution
Young Earth Creationism
Christianity & Evolution
Macroevolution is true
Human evolution is true
Scriptures are not inspired
Theism not believable
It's not about the evidence
World Views In Collision
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DNA Evidence - Insertions
1. ERVs 2. Transposons
Human Chrom. 2 Fusion
Human Lice & Evolution
Why did they say that?
Old Testament Narratives
"Firmament" - Flat Earth
Who Wrote The Bible?
The old three “Rs” are reading, writing, and arithmetic. Three new “Rs” are proposed for testing the divine claims of any scriptures:
1. It must be Rational: based on reason and logical. Cogent. The opposite is illogical.
2. It must be Reasonable: realistic, credible, sensible and plausible - not just possible. Although the explanation may be logical that we are all 10 minutes old, created with intact memories and everything having the appearance of age, this explanation of reality is not reasonable.
3. It must be Righteous: morally good, virtuous. Honorable and justifiable.
Putting the Bible to the test, it fails all three in numerous places. The Mormon scriptures and Qur'an could also be tested in the same way. Examples:
1. These following verses are not rational given what we know from science today, and commentaries do not provide plausible explanations:
a. Isaiah 38:8, Joshua 10:12 - 14, and Hab. 3:11. The earth could not have stopped spinning suddenly for a day as told in the Bible. The only reason this was composed this way was due to the geocentric view of the writers; the Bible thus cannot be inspired. And not only were the OT writers wrong with their mythology, but also important theologians who based their worldview on the ancient Biblical myths. Link and Link
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus Christ was not born of a virgin." - Cardinal Bellarmine, a key figure in Galileo's trial.
"People gave ear to an upstart astrologer [Copernicus] who strove to show that the earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon. Whoever wishes to appear clever must devise some new system, which of all systems is of course the very best. This fool [or 'man'] wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred Scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth." - Martin Luther
"Those who assert that 'the earth moves and turns'...[are] motivated by 'a spirit of bitterness, contradiction, and faultfinding;' possessed by the devil, they aimed 'to pervert the order of nature.'" - John Calvin
b. Genesis 30: 37 - 43. Laban promises to give Jacob all the striped and speckled goats and black lambs from his flock, but then removes them so Jacob will not be able to have any. Jacob circumvents Laban’s dishonesty by putting sticks around the flocks that he had peeled so that the sticks had stripes in them. As the animals bred in front of the sticks, they produced striped, speckled and spotted animals. This totally contradicts genetics and is pure superstition.
c. Numbers 22: 28 - 30. It is not rational to accept that a donkey would suddenly develop consciousness and all the vocal apparatus to speak. Link.
2. These verses are not reasonable and attempted explanations fall far short of believability:
a. 2 Kings 2: 23 - 25. Having two bears tear 42 boys apart does not make sense. The boys would not stand there but run away; only a few would be killed. Link
b. Judges 15: 4 - 5. Expecting Samson to find 300 foxes in one place and then let alone have the ability to tie them up in pairs while they passively sit still for him is beyond belief. Link
c. Matt. 27: 3 - 10 and Acts 1: 18. The two narratives of Judas’ death do not match. Did he hang himself or did he fall and have his abdomen burst open? And who purchased the field? What is being tested here is a common explanation from Christian apologists - is their attempted reconciliation reasonable and rational? Link
3. There are many examples where the Bible is immoral and hardly righteous. There are universal morals that transcend cultures and time, such as not harming children nor condoning genocide. An all knowing and good God of the universe could not have instructed or expected mankind to obey the following principles and rules:
a. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
b. Deuteronomy 22:22 If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
c. Mark 10: 1 - 12. Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
d. Leviticus 18:19 The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
e. Mark 12:18-27 If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
f. Deuteronomy 25:11-12 If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.
g. The genocides of Joshua and Deuteronomy. Link
h. Judges 11: 34 - 39. Jephthah’s sacrifice of his daughter as a burnt offering to the Lord for his victory over the Ammonites. Even more intellectually void are the commentaries that try and explain away this verse as Jephthah dedicating his daughter to a life of perpetual virginity.
i. All the innocent children and unborn babies that were ordered killed by God:
(See also: What The Bible Says About Children Link )
(From: "God On Trial" - Link ) (10 min.)
Conclusion: The Bible is not rational, reasonable, nor a good moral guide. It fails all three tests. When read fully and not selectively it convicts itself and is a significant source for atheism and deconversions. Link
A brief commentary about respect. Believers are often upset that they do not receive the kind of respect from skeptics towards their beliefs they think they deserve, and equally important respect of what they perceive as evidence for their beliefs. But respect is earned and not unconditionally given. One of the most extensive defenses of Christian beliefs is the apologetic web site Christian Think Tank (Link & Link). When examining his discussions, we need to continually test whether attempted explanations are reasonable and actually rational.
For example, in regards to the death of Judas, he proposes the usual merging of the two accounts by stating that it "was not unusual for the body to be ripped open during the process [of hanging]". Is that true? Where in the medical literature is this documented, let alone as discussed on Origine, the verses don't say that at all? Hanging is still common today around the world; does his assertion match reality? This is a key point in the attempted harmonization of these two very different stories. The account of who purchased the field is contradictory in the narratives; why is that seldom addressed?
In other parts of his web site, he justifies the killing of Amalekite children by stating that in the ancient world people preferred a quick death ("Option 4, Kill them there in the desert") Link. He also uses this line of thinking to explain why God ordered the killing of all the children in Joshua as merciful since it was quick during the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Canaanites. In general, he spends immense amounts of time trying to prove that all these peoples were SO evil that they deserved to be wiped out.
His explanations on how the sun standing still in Joshua does not violate common sense or science are amazing. Occam's Razor lies shattered to pieces on the floor of his web site. Link Nearly everyone back then was illiterate so we would not expect anyone to write down or tell oral stories around the world that the sun stopped in the sky or the opposite occurred on the other side of the earth? There would be no record of earthquakes, tsunamis, etc. because in the ancient world no one wrote anything down? Where's the geological evidence? This is a prediction that can be tested; absence of evidence is not evidence of absence unless the evidence should be there and is not (Stenger). And somehow it could have been a local event because of the hailstorm? His intellecutal gymnastics and amount of work he has put into his site is amazing. Rather than presenting a vigorous defense of "biblical difficulties", this instead comes across as reaching for any possible rescue from the obvious. I know desperation when I see it.